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Mention of linum oleum content and effects, washing etc could be added. Linen is claimed to help people suffering from dry skin as well as being less attractive to various micro-organisms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blades (talk • contribs) 00:51, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
"Contrary to popular belief, linen was probably never used as material for the Hoplite cuirass because of its price. Hoplite cuirass was made of leather"
This is contrary to information on the de Wikipedia and major belief. I have not yet seen any reference/document sustaining any of these two positions. Cost is a good argument against linen, but bronze was also more expensive than leather. -- Zwiebeltuete 126.96.36.199 13:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- This has been added in the revision as of 13:46, 18 September 2005 by 188.8.131.52. So there is probably not much change to get more information -- Zwiebeltuete 184.108.40.206 12:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Also, leather would be expensive too since before industrialization people didn't eat beef in the enormous quantities they do today. Unless the statement is sourced soon I'd suggest deleting it. --220.127.116.11 15:20, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Oops, the above was me. --Wilhelm Ritter 15:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
We made several changes to this article according to things we learned in our textile class, from textbooks and research. We feel that we added some important information while deleting several items that were repetitive. We could not varify some of the things mentioned in the article, so it would be good if more references would be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TextileStudentsVJ (talk • contribs) 23:12, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
We made a change to the revision on "Producers of Linen" to accuratly reflect our referenced source. Saying that Beligum and Ireland produce the "best" linen may be right, but it is somewhat subjective and not what is stated in the reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TextileStudentsVJ (talk • contribs) 02:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Removing the 123linen link since it is a non-informational link to a store that cares very little about the linen material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
added that linen is used as underground for paintings. Many famous painters used (and still use) linen (e.g. Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Picasso, etc etc) Arnoutf 21:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed a spam reference, and I also changed the format of the references to use cite.php. However, I'm afraid that where reference 3 was in the text another reference might have to be inserted, as the spammers used that as an anchor. If someone knowledgeable can take a look at it, that'd be great. -- dockingmantalk 20:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is linen called "manchester" in Australia? I assume there is a connection with Manchester, the English city, but I haven't been able to find much information online about it. 22.214.171.124 23:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
- It seems this is a referral to bedding in general. In Australian bedding is called Manchester or linen. It's not necessarily 'linen' and can be cotton sheets etc. More than likely most cotton goods in Australia originated from Manchester in the early history of colonisation and has stuck. Ozdaren (talk) 06:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
- As explained at Manchester#Industrial Revolution, soft furnishings are known as Manchester in Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa because it was the world's major producer of such fabrics during the industrial revolution. Grutness...wha? 23:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Linen's History needs workEdit
The bits under "Linen's History" are inappropriate for the style. I would add the template to that effect, but I can't remember where it's at. - (talk) 09:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
- I could not understand the meaning of "During the late war..." Could someone please modify this text? 126.96.36.199 (talk) 03:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
History in the New WorldEdit
I am reading a book (The Discovery of Chocolate, by James Runcie) in which mention is made of cotton and linen cloths in Mexico at the time when Cortes first reached the city. There is a clear implication that linen had been discovered independently by civilisations on both sides of the Atlantic. Is this correct? --King Hildebrand 14:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Phoenicians in IrelandEdit
The statement that the Phoenecians "besides developing the tin mines of Cornwall, introduced flax growing and the making of linen into Ireland" is unsourced and not accepted among academic historians. See the WP article on Phoenicia: "It is often mentioned that Phoenicians ventured north into the Atlantic ocean as far as Great Britain, where the tin mines in what is now Cornwall provided them with important materials, although no archaeological evidence supports this belief and reliable academic authors see this belief as hollow (see Malcolm Todd - 1987, reference below)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The Bible also uses fine linen as a symbol for the righteous acts of the saints (Revelation 19:8). 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Why use Proverbs 31:22 over 31:13? Hebrew has a few words for linen, but Pishtan is the more common one, and that is the word used in 31:13. 31:22 refers to shesh. It is also possible that shesh refers to hemp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:35, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
I am reclassing this a the new C-class, as there are just too many gaps in the coverage (especailly history) to qualify as B-class under the new guidelines. - PKM (talk) 18:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Would a qualified editor please explain:
- What a "node" in this context is
- How "lea" is pronounced
Also, am I parsing the following correctly when I interpret this sentence:
"The use of linen for priestly vestments was not confined to the Israelites, but from Plutarch, who lived and wrote one hundred years after the birth of Christ, we know that also the priests of Isis wore linen because of its purity."
as meaning "... to the Israelites; from Plutarch, writing one hundred years after the birth of Christ ..."
Joshua McGee (talk) 03:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
This is a specific length, or indirect grist system
Whatever is an "indirect grist system"? --jpgordon::==( o ) 17:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The history section has been identified as inaccurate, grossly incomplete, and written in an archaic style since 2007. I've tagged it for cleanup. - PKM (talk) 06:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- The statement that linen dates back to 8000 B.C. cannot be proven and therefore shouldn't be in the text.18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- You miss the point in the difference between written historical records and a scientifically dated object, but I agree the reference should contain a footnote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:29, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Huge amount of British wealth was created on the back of linen workers and later linen mills. Technology to extract, spin, weave, etc linen was vastly improved by Victorian entrepreneurs like Marshall who turned a cottage industry into full-scale production. This should be included in the History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
It seems unlikley that the paper currency in the US and other countries is 25% linen and 75% cotton. This leaves 0% anything else, including wood..? If correct, I should emphasize or link this to currency page? I can't find this info elsewhere e.g. banknotes Roggg (talk) 16:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Photo is not flax being harvested but wheat straw?Edit
The photo with the red machine is odd. I cannot see any flax on the left waiting to be harvested, as the photo says. Is it just loose wheat left by a combine harvester being gathered up and turned into 'swiss rolls'? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 11:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
its basically three examples of "and they opened the grave and LO BEHOLD the thousand year old linen was intact. cry out miracle." notwithstanding the flags for citation needed (yes its needed, but hell i dont give a heed for them - i am fully ready to take the statements as verifiable even without the citations being in place) but what i want to ask while reading this: so what - how do i get to know more about linen as an object of encyclopedical curiosity - by being told these repetitive, somewhat looking to be picked and beyond being put in front of my reader's eyes to behold and fall in awe not commented, or elaborated further - pieces of data? i am not going as far as to suggest the removal of the whole "antiquity" section but at least if you edited this article before and you keep an eye on it pls contemplate for a moment on what ever does it want to tell the reader about linen. if it is really like "and at favorable environmental conditions some linens did not decompose for several thousand years" then cut the examples (put them in the citations, sources, etc part at the bottom) and instead go for the straight statement. but then it would be more encyclopedical to put it in a broader scope so say instead that plant based material can stay intact for thousands of years well preserved.184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2019 (UTC).
Theres one really valuable piece of information here: https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0319.htm#19
Because by reading the translated source it cometh upon the reder as obvious that it is not about linen but a figure of speech to forbid mixing religious practices. well done. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC).
Rise of cottonEdit
I believe that cotton began to replace linen around the 19th century causing the linen/flax industries to decline, certainly in Ireland & England. This should probably be mentioned in the Modern History section but I don't have a current source to hand.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
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